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Anne Tolley's Address
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Permalink Reply by Max Thompson on -
Ka pai tenei, Greg.
Kia pau ke taku kata.
Nga mihi.
Max
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Permalink Reply by Hayley Whitaker on -
Kia ora Greg
I love you're take on Tolleys address. I think it was actually really boring and didn't really tell us much at all, except for what we've already heard. They (the Nats) are sticking SO close to their party lines (all bar our friend in the politcal panel, who clearly didn't do any homework).
Hayley
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Permalink Reply by Jo Fothergill on
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Well done! I'm still waiting for her to explain how the fact that "after parenting, teaching is the most important job" means that we need the national standards (and the subsequent teaching to the test that we all know will happen in many schools which is clearly NOT best practice in teaching).
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Permalink Reply by Carol Fitzgerald on -
Yes Greg I agree... she certainly never turned the paper up the right way and seems determined to continue to spin education in NZ into a downward spiral of teaching to the test and league tables... What will become of our children who dont fit their model of the norm? The speech was average at best and certainly let us know we as educators won't be anywhere on national's list of priorities.
Carol
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Permalink Reply by Graham Woodhead on -
Having seen Tolley on the Q&A tv programme telling Holmes that her credentials for being the Minister of Education were that she had 3 children and 2 grandchildren made me think deeply about another position. Since I know how to do Internet banking and can read and understand a bank statement, then obviously I have the credentials to be Minister of Finance. Move over Bill!
Jo Fothergill said:Well done! I'm still waiting for her to explain how the fact that "after parenting, teaching is the most important job" means that we need the national standards (and the subsequent teaching to the test that we all know will happen in many schools which is clearly NOT best practice in teaching).
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Permalink Reply by Zachary Markham on
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Hi Greg , I love your visual " articulation " The address from Anne Tolley ( I wasn't at Annual meeting but I read the address on the website ) didnt surprise me because Tolley is just a mouth peice . The reality is that the Nats will probably not reveal their true agenda until the next election , hence the time frames of the data collection has been pushed out ( although if you look carefully nothing has been changed ) but the view point is it has been changed . The real interesting information doesn't always come from Tolley more from other senior MPS , for example Bill English and the concept of productivity . Tell me that doesn't mean performance pay ! and there are your pay increases from 2010 !!!!!!!!!!!
Zac Markham
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Permalink Reply by Erika Locke on -
Kia ora koutou katoa, I was actually a little bemused when I listened to Anne Tolley. She made it clear that reporting on the Natitonal Standards would start in 2010 and that they (Nats) had a mandate to implement this from 3000 parents who had participated in the consultation - was that more or less than the educators who had been consulted? I wonder if the parents are aware that the reporting is only for students in year 4,6, and 8? I think the cartoon graphic above is brilliant, congratulations!
Erika Locke
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Permalink Reply by Linda Jordan on
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So can this "Bill English and the concept of productivity . Tell me that doesn't mean performance pay" be put into action for Support Staff as well?? I would hate to think that this is the way we are going. Support Staff have enough of a fight on our hands as it is! I appreciate your thoughts on this Zac.
Zachary Markham said:Hi Greg , I love your visual " articulation " The address from Anne Tolley ( I wasn't at Annual meeting but I read the address on the website ) didnt surprise me because Tolley is just a mouth peice . The reality is that the Nats will probably not reveal their true agenda until the next election , hence the time frames of the data collection has been pushed out ( although if you look carefully nothing has been changed ) but the view point is it has been changed . The real interesting information doesn't always come from Tolley more from other senior MPS , for example Bill English and the concept of productivity . Tell me that doesn't mean performance pay ! and there are your pay increases from 2010 !!!!!!!!!!!
Zac Markham
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Hi Linda
I haven't heard about Support Staff directly ... although I have read the quotes ( on the nats website ) about a " wage freeze " across the public education sector . I presume this is why at the recent support staff WSR seminars a change in approach was mooted , the work force stratergy ? - I feel this is because the MOE is stone walling direct pay increases which is probably the link into the productivity concept .. I do know we all need to stand together .. it will be tough but this government has a clear mandate for change from NZers .. to win ? we need a clear articulated vision Kia Kaha z
Linda Jordan said:So can this "Bill English and the concept of productivity . Tell me that doesn't mean performance pay" be put into action for Support Staff as well?? I would hate to think that this is the way we are going. Support Staff have enough of a fight on our hands as it is! I appreciate your thoughts on this Zac.
Zachary Markham said:Hi Greg , I love your visual " articulation " The address from Anne Tolley ( I wasn't at Annual meeting but I read the address on the website ) didnt surprise me because Tolley is just a mouth peice . The reality is that the Nats will probably not reveal their true agenda until the next election , hence the time frames of the data collection has been pushed out ( although if you look carefully nothing has been changed ) but the view point is it has been changed . The real interesting information doesn't always come from Tolley more from other senior MPS , for example Bill English and the concept of productivity . Tell me that doesn't mean performance pay ! and there are your pay increases from 2010 !!!!!!!!!!!
Zac Markham
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Permalink Reply by mary pearson on
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Love the drawing!! Perfect. Do you think she was also being deranged when she clearly, for all to hear, stated. "Oh , pink is my favourite colour" She can't honestly have believed we did it to please her!! How conceited
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Permalink Reply by Louise Green on -
Like the others who have commented I love your visual Greg! Hayley's right there's nothing new in what Minister Tolley is saying. It was s definitely a packaged presentation which says nothing that we don't already know. I heard on the radio today, that 16% of kids left school without achieving NCEA Level 1 in 2008 and 18% in 2007. The rhetoric to date has been about the 20% of kids who are failing or being failed by the system. There's definitely more to this policy than meets the eye in the medium to long term. Until we see the final standards for each year level due to be released on 28 October, we really don't know whether there has been any reworking as a result of the consultation; what we are actually dealing with; the expectations around reporting; the alignment of norm referenced tools; the dearth of norm referenced tools for junior students and yet we're expected to begin working with the standards next year. Too many unanswered questions! How much can schools/teachers take on with the curriculum still a priority and dare I mention the teachers council Registered Teacher Criteria (replacing the Satisfactory Teacher Dimensions) coming on stream which also need to be factored into the learning programme for teachers.
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Hi Louise
Totally agree about your comments re the percentages NCEA . My personal view is that NS is not the best way to solve this problem . In fact the philsophy behind National Standard's cuts directly across directions for learning , the view of the student as a competent learner and the impacts on student's learning . Yes , and there are several different trenches coming through at the same time . Interestingly , looking on the MOE website it appears at a higher greater emphasis on the parent's view ( which is fine in context ) than the educator / teacher ! Not that I am against parents in any form ( being one myself within the primary school system ) but I think the nats will not waver from their 2008 statements on reporting to parents in regards to the national standards . So what are National Standards ? As stated above a tool for measuring teachers through student acheivement Just a few wandering thoughts !
Louise Green said:Like the others who have commented I love your visual Greg! Hayley's right there's nothing new in what Minister Tolley is saying. It was s definitely a packaged presentation which says nothing that we don't already know. I heard on the radio today, that 16% of kids left school without achieving NCEA Level 1 in 2008 and 18% in 2007. The rhetoric to date has been about the 20% of kids who are failing or being failed by the system. There's definitely more to this policy than meets the eye in the medium to long term. Until we see the final standards for each year level due to be released on 28 October, we really don't know whether there has been any reworking as a result of the consultation; what we are actually dealing with; the expectations around reporting; the alignment of norm referenced tools; the dearth of norm referenced tools for junior students and yet we're expected to begin working with the standards next year. Too many unanswered questions! How much can schools/teachers take on with the curriculum still a priority and dare I mention the teachers council Registered Teacher Criteria (replacing the Satisfactory Teacher Dimensions) coming on stream which also need to be factored into the learning programme for teachers.
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